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Got hit by the DA BAN Hammer

Wed Nov 19, 2008, 3:12 PM
  • Mood: Anger
Ok, so I know I haven't been the most up-to-date with my DA account. I am about 3,209 deviations behind to view and refuse to do much of it until I decide to renew my subscription. I have yet to do so since I've gotten so busy to nuture DA with my attention.

I do occassionally check DA because I do get notes from people asking questions. So today when I woke up this afternoon after a horrendous night of inking, I recieved 2 notes from DA staff saying that they have deleted one of my old deviations for "Prohibited Content".

First off, guys, I know not everyone understands the fasination with "yaoi/shounen-ai" themes. I completely respect that. And I also repect everyone by not flaunting it around everywhere I go because I know it makes people uneasy. Hell, I don't flaunt it around my gay friends unless they initiate it. But on rare occassions I do draw such content, BUT I do it tastefully. It's my art, and I'll do as I please.

That being said, a piece I did with a "yaoi theme" was deleted from DA. You can find the image in question here (WARNING: Again, this does have a very "yaoi" theme. I apologize, but for understanding the arguement at hand, please don't give me childish comments about it being "gross"): [link]

Yes it's old and horribly done, but it's mine. I love it just as much as all the other horrible pieces of art I did prior and after.

Now, DA accuses me of posting prohibited content. What is considered prohibited content? Let's take a look at what exactly DA states as prohibited content: [link]

When we mention ';pornographic content' in our policies we are specifically referring to specific subjects which we will clarify below.

We apologize if the descriptions below are slightly graphic.

The following contents are considered unacceptable for submission in either visual art or literature form and will be subjected to immediate removal without notice.

• Masturbation
Hands should not come into contact with genitalia in a manner which is clearly a display of fondling or masturbation.

• Sexual Intercourse.
Subjects should not be depicted in a clear display of sexual intercourse. This includes depictions of sexual penetration, oral to genital contact, genital to anal contact, and oral to anal contact without exception. Some depictions of same sex genital to genital contact and some depictions of oral to breast contact might qualify under this guideline as adjudicated by staff but not all will be considered an automatic violation of policy.

• Sexual body fluids (actual or simulated).
There should be no depiction of semen or vaginal lubricants.

• Erections.
Male subjects may not be depicted with an erection.

• Vaginal or Anal Spreading
Female subjects should not be depicted with their vaginal area manually spread open by hand or manipulated open by any other artificial means. Neither sex should show the anus manually opened in a similar fashion.

• Adult oriented (sexual) toys.
"Adult toys" consisting of dildos, strap-ons, vibrators, etc. are not allowed.


Where is the sexual intercourse? The masterbation? The bodily fluids? Erections? Vaginal/anal spreading? Sexual toys? In no way have I violated the rules.

And on closer inspection: Subjects should not be depicted in a clear display of sexual intercourse.

Let's be honest, there is NO clear display of sexual intercourse. The piece merely HINTS at the idea. I leave my viewer's minds to fill in the blanks. For all you know, the characters could be hermaphrodites. And for that matter, MAYBE THEY HAVE NO GENITAILA.

When I first displayed this image, it had an adult filter warning, a small preview image with a warning label, and a FULL warning to those who may or may not be offended by the image. So unless you ignored all the warning signs, it's your own damn fault you are offended by an image depicting a gay couple.

So unless there is a hidden rule somewhere on DA that I violated their policy for showing the upper torso of a male's body or questionable facial expressions, I stand corrected. I will probably be banned for posting this journal, but I will have my voice heard.

You want to take my image down, but you refuse to take down all the images of people who take photographs of REAL people with extreme close-up shots of a woman's vagina as she lies down in a sexual manner? I personally don't find it appealing, but I believe it is the artist's right to post their work online and I can simply click elsewhere.

DA this is getting ridiculous.

-Michelle

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:iconexplosiv22:
i totaly agree with you in every way i had the same thing to me happen quite afew times...but i have seen alot worse on here...

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Oh dear god yes.


And the report policy is whacked out too. For some reason, and this happens to me nearly constantly now mind you, if I report something as pornographic, I get a note saying "it has been reviewed and deemed not pornographic" (and 100% it's because it's in the wrong category that I ended seeing it, but they don't fix that either) BUT if I report something as miscategorized, I get the "deviation closed after review"

Totally makes no sense whatsoever

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:icongoku-lover21:
Thats messed up! I have plenty of Yaoi in gallery! And most of it implies something more...Implications should not get your art deleted. D:

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I totally agree with you. I hate surfing DA looking at my watchlist only to see Daily Deviations at the bottom that have nudity in them. I really think the policy is in need of work. There seems to be a fine line on what is prohibited and what is not and it's annoying.
:iconmaroy:
DA is getting a riddicious, and i see more and more people complaining about the abuse of power some people are giving there positions.
i would file a complaint at the help desk..sometimes pieces are deleted by accident for reasons unknown to me and thus you get those stupid notes.

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:iconluciole:
9_9 Some people report things because ZOMG ITS A NIPPLE! Shit, I've seen some downright photography of girls grabbing their vajayjay here on DA, but it's fine cos it's 'art'.

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once again i point out d/a's darling Kayleigh:

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this is somehow allowed to stay up

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:iconlc3:
Crap! I'm going to hell now for looking at your drawing. Thanks A LOT.
:icondemon-elf:
I don't want to start an argument, but I have to say, your picture is clearly sexual in nature. I mean, what else could they be doing? They're in bed, staring longingly into each other's eyes, then the one starts undressing the other, cut to the throes of passion. It's not very subtle, though it may not be horribly explicit or graphic. You can't just go 'Oh, they're just in a loving embrace and are Ken-dolls' when it's clear like that. It's not really up to debate.

I do agree it seems dA is living by a hardcore double standard, often stumbling over that all too subtle line between art and pornography. A lot of the time the problem is they don't have enough moderators to catch all of the really explicit stuff, but there are also times they let people get away with bloody murder because they're 'too popular' to get rid of entirely. (See teruchan, darkmatterzone,and many others.) It's like politicians. They say they're against certain people, but as long as those people keep giving them money, they won't do anything about them.

In the long run, should your picture have been taken down? Yeah, but it shouldn't have been that big of a priority. There is far worse stuff on dA, though, and deleting your pic and banning you for it seems like the equivlent of sending the entire police department after a pick-pocket while Jack the Ripper is still running around free. At the worst, it should have just been a deletion with a 'Quit it' note, not a deletion and ban.

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